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To get a mare to be covered by your stallion you should:

1. do all training or most

2. purebred

3. golden apple if possible

4. not inbred

5. High GP and positive BLUP (blup depends on the opinion of others)


Thanks--- iljb

P.S. if any misunderstandings about the tips please pm me!

edited to fit the page better Ckat ~ admin.

I wouldn't say that your stud needs to be a non-inbred horse. Plenty of people on Howrse don't care whether it is inbred or not- me, for example.

High GP is also an upside. :O)

PC

well, some people prefer non-inbred studs, I'm just suggesting too ya know.

I found this from your howrse page. I personally think you should do this! All of your studs have no skills and barely no training and they are older than 6,7+!
GApples rarely count, its more important to people the skills, GP (Inbred or non-inbred) and mainly a 100 blup.

iljb wrote:well, some people prefer non-inbred studs, I'm just suggesting too ya know.

Before this gets too heated of a conversation I would like to request that replys remain respectful and polite. All the members of the forum are valued as well as everyones opinions. PC is a mod and she got that way because she is helpful and polite. My criteque of the quote is that the underlined portion of the comment sounds sarcastic. As we don't know your personality in person, this type of phrasing in a reply can be taken incorrectly. With my addition to this thread, I am attempting to remind everyone to be careful with their wording of things before they post and to think through fully the thoughts they are trying to convay. Explinations to thoughts, opinions and feelings are helpful in getting everyone's true points accross.

In addition, I would like to say that what PC said was not intended to offend and did not read as offencive.

Thank you.

As Stacey said, I didn't intend to offend anyone. I was just clarifying that not everyone on Howrse is anti-inbreeding. To me, the skills, GP and purity are the only things that matter, but some people look at that after they look at the family tree. All of us have a right to our own opinions.

PC

I agree 100% with DP on the way you phrase things. There was a person on here, that only used caps, and everyone thought that she was yelling at us and being very rude, but it turned out, that she didn't see anything wrong with using caps, and then I explained it to her, and she apologized and fixed her wording, and it really made sense. We are unable to see your facial expression, hand movements, etc. So, all we are able to view is your typing, and from how you type, it seemed quite rude. I don't know if that was intentional or non-intentional.

As For Breeding:
You said:
1. do all training or most
2. purebred
3. golden apple if possible
4. not inbred
5. High GP and positive BLUP (blup depends on the opinion of others)

My opinion on that:

To get the best foals:
1. Have the mare at BLUP100. The more skills that are bolded, the better off you are for inborn skills and everything, but no matter what, you want your mare at BLUP100.
2. Yes, you do want it purebred.
3. Golden Apple: You shouldn't even look at that because:(out of the page on the golden apple)
The golden apple can only be used on horses and ponies over the age of 3, and the special coats are not passed on to foals.
4. Inbreeding does not matter. I was in a club that did not inbreed for standardbreds. We were on the elite for GP, but it was impossible to do so with out breeding with the other top-breeders. If there was a fault with inbreeding, then I would understand, but there is NO penalty for inbreeding on the game, no after effects or anything. But, if you don't chose to inbreed, that is your decision, as it is mine. I wouldn't suggest that to other people though, because different people have different beliefs.
5. You don't just want positive BLUP, you want BLUP100 when choosing a stud. People shouldn't even offer out coverings if their stud isn't at BLUP100. And for GP, go under Genetics when you are searching for a stud, and click on what ever skill highest genetic that you are looking for
the letters stand for:
S: Tri Par Stamina
S: Tri Par Speed
D: Tri Par Dressage
G: Tri Par Gallop
T: Tri Par Trot
J: Tri Par Jump
they are in that order, and you can move your mouse over them to see what it says also. I have made a graphic to show you exactly what I mean. You can also chose the breed that you want, but I did it in general:

I just looked at your stud listings, and I am just wondering why you are telling mare owners to look for all of this different stuff, while you are offering out studs that shouldn't even be put out in your "standards of breeding". You are saying purebred, you are offering cross bred horses up for offers. You are saying good BLUP, you are offering studs with little to no BLUP, and even in the negatives. THEN, you are saying that you should look at training, I went to go look at your studs, and I don't see training done. So my question to you is: You are suggesting that mare owners do all of the following things, but you, as a stud owner, are offering coverings for training deprived studs, very poor lacking studs in the Genetic area, and you want people to accept them. The same people that you are telling to look for good GP, good BLUP, nice skills....but you are trying to get business from offering low-grade horses, and wanting people to accept the coverings. I don't know I guess that I am quite confused by how you operate. Please help me understand.
Thank you

BR- Even though I, as a mare owner, would not accept coverings from a stud simply because he had a golden apple coat, many people do. Though you are fair to suggest to other mare owners that they move away from this trend, I have to say that iljb has a point that GA studs tend to get more coverings than non-GA studs; no matter the difference in their skills. As I mentioned, though, I do not approve of employing that tactic to find a decent stud.

PC

True on the GA. That should not be a mare owners deciding factor. If you have a truely great stud to offer then I don't think prettying him up to make him more attractive to mare owners is such a bad thing. (It could be like prepping him for his stud advertising pics in the breed mags). They do help a bit but the GP training and skills is what most people look for. The GA can be the tiny bit of motivation that makes someone choose your stud over a simmilarly trained, GP'd, and skilled horse though. So yes it can be a double edged sward if someone picks a poor quality stud over a great one because of a GA.

Very true PC......I do wish that people would get away from that also. Luckily, I haven't really ran into that problem when I offer coverings from my studs, because I don't use golden apples, I personally think that it is a waste of a good pass..unless I am sick of looking at the horse, then I find it well worth it! I would love to see the statistics on how many people do that, I bet that it would be quite shocking on the number that do! Even though it has nothing to do on how the foal will turn out. I do understand like breeding for color...Like for standardbreds, a white horse's coverings will sell over a bay's because of the odds of the color coming up. But I guess that I don't see why a GA should determine if you have a good stud or not...Do not judge a book by its cover, although, a multitude of people do. But that was a very good point PC, and that is the truth too....

Well if you were going to buy a car; 2 cars of equal condition and ware. One car shiney and pretty the other car dirty and un pollished... Which would you choose? That's all a GA is to some people..the shiney horse.

Yes, I agree with you there, but the thing that annoys me with the golden apple is when you have like a 40,000 car that is dirty, and a 10,000 car that is clean, and they pick the clean one because of looks.

Ya but the kind of person that would pick the 10,000 shiney car over the 40,000 dirty car, aren't going to be the kind of people that will represent your horse's offspring very well either so if this were real life you would be better off anyway.

I have to say that when I first started on here I spent every pass I got on Golden Apples...ughhh the passes I could have saved...I think they are a waste of passes...as for the stud covering...I think the MOST important characteristic to look at is the GP & Blup...especially if you want a good filly or colt. That is my 2 cents for the day!!!